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Postby nors » Wed Jul 09, 2014 1:58 pm

That sounds ok as well :win:

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Postby davidg3907 » Wed Jul 09, 2014 2:12 pm

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Postby welshie1 » Wed Jul 09, 2014 5:46 pm

This is superb stuff guys, never expected this kind of reaction, but I love the idea of having a mini course guide on the discussion thread, that would be massively useful.

I've been watching the racing at Catterick today, and horses from the front have dominated from start to finish. I've been to that track quite a few times, and I've seen horses win by leading from the first furlong to the last in staying races, Sir Frank Morgan a notable winner today. Prominent runners very hard to peg back.
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Postby man o bong » Wed Jul 09, 2014 6:46 pm

Would be really interested if anyone has a list of tracks with a STRAIGHT 7f , I have the obvious ones,but a definitive list would be great

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Postby Marshy » Wed Jul 09, 2014 9:08 pm

I would be more than happy to do a track. I will do Pontefract and an allocated track if there's somebody who wants to dish tracks out to research.
this could be an extremely useful thread that could help the olbg members to a massive extent. :win: :<a href=/school/lesson15.php>NAP</a>:

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Postby mazeymay » Wed Jul 09, 2014 10:33 pm

Would be really interested if anyone has a list of tracks with a STRAIGHT 7f , I have the obvious ones,but a definitive list would be great
MOB,i was on google and typed in [diagrams of british racecourses]it took me to a page with pictures,undulations and markers for all the courses.

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Postby martinr » Thu Jul 10, 2014 3:14 am

Would be really interested if anyone has a list of tracks with a STRAIGHT 7f , I have the obvious ones,but a definitive list would be great
I think these are all of the tracks that run a straight 7.
There are of course plenty that run a straight 5, 6 and 8 as well.


Ascot
Chepstow
Doncaster
Folkestone (not raced since 2012)
Laytown (beach course)
Leicester
Lingfield (Turf course)
Newbury
Newcastle
Newmarket (July)
Newmarket (Rowley)
Redcar
Salisbury
Yarmouth
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The following are considered "tight" tracks:

Aintree
Ballinrobe
Bangor
Brighton
Cartmel
Catterick
Chester (very sharp bends)
Downpatrick
Fakenham (very sharp bends)
Galway
Goodwood
Kempton
Kilbeggan
Listowel
Musselburgh
Newton Abbot
Plumpton
Southwell-AW and NH courses (very sharp bends)
Taunton
Wexford
Windsor
Wolverhampton

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Postby Jim Brown » Thu Jul 10, 2014 4:45 am

This used to be one of my strong points guys. I'll give here what I have in my notes for each track. Use it as you see fit! :)

Aintree (Mildmay course)
Sharpish track, easier than the main course but still has stiff fences. Course can get really testing on soft/heavy. Has a fairly long run in so the ability to get home is required.

Aintree (National course)
Big two-mile circuit with the biggest fences of any UK course. Stamina a must. Almost half-mile run-in. A course that suits the galloping horse, although the ability to jump and jump in rhythm to pace is essential.

Ascot (Flat)
Big, wide, galloping circuit with stiff uphill finish. Course has a straight mile. No apparent draw advantage on the round course, but the draw on the straight course can very much be dependant on where the pace lies and whether the field splits into groups.

Ascot (National Hunt)
Big, wide, galloping circuit with stiff uphill finish. Has a fairly short run-in after the last and while the uphill finish can suit a finisher it is often vital to be at the fore over the last two with the shorter run-in.

Ayr (Flat)
Very fair, almost flat throughout, track. Quite a big circuit and long straight so gallopers can run well here. Straight 5f/6f is wide and draw can be tricky to predict. Pace can determine which side has the advantage.

Ayr (National Hunt)
Home of the Scottish National. Fairly big circuit with four fence straight. Longish run-in, especially on hurdle track. Very possible to come from behind here.

Bangor-on-Dee (National Hunt)
Sharpish course that's on the turn a lot of the way. Would suit the handier jumper rather than the rangy galloper. Front runners can do well here.

Bath (Flat)
Sharpish track that has no watering, so ground can get pretty quick. Final two furlongs are at a slight bend so having the rail can be an advantage. Wide draw can be a disadvantage here.

Beverley (Flat)
Quirky sharp track where the sprints are uphill virtually all the way. Big test for sprinters when the going is soft. Changes to the way stall numbering was done reversed the age-old 'high draw needed'. Best way to remember is - inside berth has a big edge in sprints, although smart start is vital.

Brighton (Flat)
Switchback, undulating sharp track that can produce course specialists. Also watch for course winners from other switchback tracks. Fast downhill from the start so front runners can fare well here. Inside draw can have an edge.

Carlisle (Flat)
Fair sized circuit. One of the stiffest uphill finishes in the UK. When soft takes a lot of getting. Sprints start on a turn so inside berth can have an advantage

Carlisle (National Hunt)
The stiff nature of this track, especially on soft, puts stamina and jumping at a premium. Runners face uphill finish from four out (three on hurdles track).

Cartmel (National Hunt)
Only race on Bank Holidays. Most unique track in the UK with a four furlong run-in after jumping the last. Very sharp track, would not suit gallopers. Jockeys have to know what's under them and not go too soon after the last.

Catterick Bridge (Flat)
Very sharp left-hand track that undulates in places. 1m1f circuit. Suits the handy type over the galloper. Straight 5f is downhill much of the way. Inside berth suitable on the round course.

Catterick Bridge (National Hunt)
Sharp 10f jumping circuit but still a 1f run-in after the last. Has quite stiff fences and with the sharpness of the track suits the good, nippy, type of jumper. Can favour front runners well.

Cheltenham (National Hunt)
Top class racecourse. Used to see regular heavy going but improved drainage measn going is usually always very fair. Undulating, galloping track with stiff uphill finish (more exaggerated on the New Course), stamina and jumping ability are at a premium here. Galloping in nature, but the undulations mean it can also suit smaller horses.

Cheptow (Flat)
Has undulations but otherwise fair track on flat. Big circuit means gallopers can run well here.

Chepstow (National Hunt)
Home of the Welsh National. Big galloping circuit with five fences in the home straight. Takes a lot of getting, especially when soft and Welsh National is an out and out test.

Chester (Flat)
Sharpest track in the UK. On the turn all the way round except for final furlong. Inside draw is a real advantage even over the Chester Cup distance of 2m2f, but ONLY with alacrity at the start in sprint races. Many races are lost from the inside berth because of a poor start. Not impossible to win from wide, especially over longer than the 5f/6f races, but a definite disadvantage. Some jockeys ride Chester really well - K. Fallon for example.

Doncaster (Flat)
Very fair track. Decent size circuit with half mile straight. Draw advantage (as with a lot of courses) can change with weather/pace, otherwise neither an advantage nor disadvantage to any type of horse.

Doncaster (National Hunt)
Great, fair jumps track. Fences aren't stiff and circuit/run-in doesn't suit any particular type.

Epsom Downs (Flat)
Switchback track, but the only track in the UK with a camber in the home straight. Can be a disadvantage to gallopers unless they are well balanced. Downhill from the top of the hill, runners can get caught behind as they sweep into the straight. Last half-furlong slightly uphill. Downhill 5f is the fastest track in the world.

Exeter (National Hunt)
Big 2m+ circuit suits the galloping type. Four fences in the home straight.

Fakenham (National Hunt)
Very sharp jumps track with sharp bends. Suits front runners. Tricky home straight has seen some jockeys take wrong course.

Ffos Las (Flat)
Flat, galloping in nature, although not unsuitable for handy types. Very fair track

Ffos Las (National Hunt)
Flat, galloping in nature, although not unsuitable for handy types. Very fair track

Fontwell Park (National Hunt)
The only figure of eight jumps track in the UK (hurdle course is normal oval). On the turn a lot of the way as a result, including the latter part of the run-in. Helps to be up with the pace before the bottom turn in chase races. Hurdle course is sharp in nature with longish run in.

Goodwood (Flat)
Switchback style track. Pretty undulating. Very easy to be caught behind runners in the home straight. Watch for jockeys who ride the course well. Straight course is fast, mostly downhill, and as with other courses draw can be tricky to determine the advantage in.

Great Yarmouth (Flat)
Perfect oval in shape, long straight. Usually mediocre racing nowadays but track is very fair nonetheless.

Hamilton Park (Flat)
Switchback, hilly track with stiff uphill final 3f. Can get heavy making it very stamina sapping. Sprint races are first steep downhill, then steep uphill to finish.

Haydock Park (Flat)
Very fair flat track which can get quite heavy and put an emphasis on stamina.

Haydock Park (National Hunt)
Chase course can be a test if a decent pace or soft. Hurdles track, although on the sharp side, does take some getting and has a long run-in.

Hexham (National Hunt)
Picturesque track. Undulating in nature. Fair size circuit but gets wet so stamina a premium. Course knowledge can help because course has twists and turns. Easy fences but a stiff uphill finish.

Huntingdon (National Hunt)
Good jumps track, flat throughout. Galloping in nature and fences quite stiff so requires good jumping.

Kelso (National Hunt)
Very sharp for a jumps course (only one mile round on the hurdle track). Easy fences so handy front running types tend to do well where. Course has a clay surface so can get pretty testing when wet.

Kempton Park (Flat)
Former turf track, now polytrack all-weather. Sharp in nature. Seems to be fair to all types though.

Kempton Park (National Hunt)
1m5f triangular shaped circuit. Sharp in nature with stiffish fences. Very possible to come from behind despite nature of the course and not the front runner track many think it to be.

Leicester (Flat)
Elongated oval track with long back and home straights so very much galloping. Stiff finish adds to the need for stamina. Straight one mile course seems to favour a low berth when it's soft.

Leciester (National Hunt)
Nature of the track with lonog straights and uphill finish puts big emphasis on stamina. Possible to come from a long way back here.

Lingfield (Flat) (Equitrack)
Very sharp and fast. Inside berth almost a must in sprints but a good start is needed. Not impossible to come from behind on the short straight, but far better to be at the head of affairs or just behind turning in.

Lingfield (Flat) (Turf)
Undulating and a decent test for those aimed at Epsom as the courses have similarities. Straight course used to favour a low draw when very soft, but that doesn't happen so much nowadays.

Lingfield (National Hunt)
Not much racing over jumps nowadays but course is undulating and can suit the front runners. Fences fairly easy.

Ludlow (National Hunt)
Squarish in shape. Fences not big, and fair to jump. Speed course as the ground rarely gets too testing, so can suit the nippy type.

Market Rasen (National Hunt)
Tightish track with quite tight bends. Downhill a bit from the end of the back straight this course can be quite tricky and some jockeys do well here.

Musselburgh (Flat)
Very flat. On the sharp side because of the bends and the way the home straight curves slightly, but otherwise a very fair track which gallopers can act on too.

Musselburgh (National Hunt)
Fair test for the jumper/hurdler. Longish straight allows for the odd mistake. Otherwise no advantage to any type.

Newbury (Flat)
Big circuit galloping track, flat and otherwise fair. Long straight can play into the hands of a good galloping front runner who can wind up from the home turn.

Newbury (National Hunt)
Great test for jumpers, both hurdles and chases. Big galloping track. You have to both gallop well and jump well to win at Newbury and stamina is often the key at the end with long run-ins for both codes.

Newcastle (Flat)
Big circuit with easy turns and a stiff uphill finish. Ideal for the long-strider.

Newcastle (National Hunt)
Undoubtedly a stamina course, even when not soft. Fences are stiff too, so ability to jump in rhythm a must. Easy turns and a big cicruit suit the long-striding galloper who can jump.

Newmarket (Flat)
Big wide track. Only one turn so races up to 10f (8f on the July course) are straight. Takes a good jockey to win on a front runner here as the course undulates and has a stiff uphill finish (July course even stiffer). Going rarely gets testing nowadays.

Newton Abbot (National Hunt)
Tight course with tight bends. Just one mile round, this suits the handy type and front runners can do well. Course never jumps in the winter now so going is usually good or faster.

Nottingham (Flat)
Elongated oval give course a long straight, suiting the galloping type. Stalls placement makes marked difference to the draw. If soft, high can have the advantage. Used to have jumps track, but no more.

Perth (National Hunt)
Beautiful situated track. Sharp jumps course with quite easy fences and front runners can have an advantage here.

Plumpton (National Hunt)
Small, very tight track with tight bends. Course undulates and a past propensity for really heavy going meant it was quite a test despite being sharp. Drainage has improved but surface underneath is clay so it can still be testing sometimes.

Pontefract (Flat)
Can be a tricky course for jockeys. Turns are sharp and the run to the finish only 2f. Easy to get trapped behind runners and no time to get out. Despite that it can be a test in soft. Draw advantage turns from low to high when testing.

Redcar (Flat)
Very elongated oval making this a galloping track. Five furlongs from home turn to the finish. Nine furlong straight track, where high numbers are favoured.

Ripon (Flat)
Elongated oval with a five furlong run-in, slightly uphill all the way. Suits a galloper. High numbers can be preferred on the round course, but on the straight 5f/6f draw advanatge can change depednign on size of the field and pace.

Salisbury (Flat)
Stiff switchback track, last half mile of an almost one mile straight is very uphill. Takes a lot ogf getting. When ground is soft stands side usually has better ground.

Sandown Park (Flat)
Big circuit course that's galloping in nature. Separate 5f track in centre of the course, uphill too. Come from behind runners do well here but there's also a number of hard luck stories due to a fairly short run to the finish of just over three furlongs.

Sandown Park (National Hunt)
Excellent jumping test on this galloping track, with three Railway fences on the back straight a particular test. Uphill finish from the Pond Fence (3 out) lends itself to many dramatic finishes. Hurdles track finished up the flat straight so also takes a lot of getting.

Sedgfield (National Hunt)
Sharpish undulating track wiht tight turns. Very much suits handy types.

Southwell (Flat)
Fibresand oval track, fairly sharp, flat and otehrwise fair. Some turf racing on the inner grass track.

Southwell (National Hunt)
Takes place on sharp inner turf track. Suits handy types due to the sharp nature. One furlong run-in.

Stratford (National Hunt)
10f oval with sharp bends and short straight. Some undulations so handy types can run well here. Ground is often testing when it rains.

Taunton (National Hunt)
Sharpish 10f oval, slight uphill run-in. Tight bends and short run-ins make this a front/handy runners course. Fences are on the stiff side.

Thirsk (Flat)
Oval shaped, with 5f/6f straight courses. Round course has three and a half furlong run-in. Can be regarded as sharp although not wholly against a galloper.

Towcester (National Hunt)
Square-like circuit with one of the stiffest finishes in the UK, starting from 6f out. Can get really testing and make for many come from behind wins. Takes a lot of getting with a strong pace.

Uttoxeter (National Hunt)
Around 10f oval with a slight twist in back straight and home straight that curves sightly. Although on the sharp side the course puts a premium on stamina when soft/hevay, although front runners do well here.

Warwick (Flat)
Big circuit track. Galloping despite sharp bends and shortish home straight.

Warwick (National Hunt)
Mile and three-quarter circuit and a good test despite the sharp bends and shortish straight with 200 yd run-in. Size of the track makes it galloping in nature.

Wetherby (National Hunt)
Decent sized track with easy bends that makes it galloping in nature. Stiff fences make for a test. Inner hurdle track is sharper yet quite testing in heavy ground.

Wincanton (National Hunt)
Rectangular track with quite sharp bends. Two long straights make it pretty much galloping despite only 11f round. Rarely, the finishing straight is slightly downhill

Windsor (Flat)
The only figure of eight flat track. Hosts mainly evening racing nowadays. A track that takes some getting to know for jockeys as positioning is vital on the final turn before the three furlong finish.

Wolverhampton (Flat)
Perfect oval, a mile round. Quite sharp turns. Polytrack surface gives fairly regular going. Moderate racing held here.

Worcester (National Hunt)
Very elongated oval. Galloping track with long home straight. Has really easy fences. Ideal gallopers course and good for novices.

York (Flat)
Former switchback-type, now a complete 2m circuit. Big galloping track with five furlong run from the home bend. Often considered a fair front runners track but on many occasions this changes and front runners never seem to last. Can be a difficult track to read, and sprint races in particular very tricky. Runners rarely come up the inside rail in the home straight now.
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Postby deswalker » Thu Jul 10, 2014 8:45 am

Wow, plenty on here already.

Thanks all.

I will collate what we have now tonight, and keep collecting. Keep it coming!

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Postby nors » Thu Jul 10, 2014 8:56 am

That is great stuff, so what is needed now are individual posts on specific tracks from members, that Des can add to the info he has already.

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Postby nors » Thu Jul 10, 2014 9:00 am

Most courses can be contacted and are quite helpful with information, so if you are local to a particular track, send them an e mail and ask them for course configurations, any recent changes to track or stall positions etc. To save them sending a standard reply, best to ask specifics questions.

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Postby mazeymay » Thu Jul 10, 2014 9:27 am

Most courses can be contacted and are quite helpful with information, so if you are local to a particular track, send them an e mail and ask them for course configurations, any recent changes to track or stall positions etc. To save them sending a standard reply, best to ask specifics questions.
Hi nors,i have just e-mailed Sandown as I live close and visit quite often so any info they reply with I will post up for all

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