Bookies don't take bets , close and restrict accounts

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Postby deswalker » Thu May 29, 2014 9:40 am

Name and shame mate, what exactly have you got to lose?
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Postby ugunsdzesejs » Thu May 29, 2014 12:46 pm

hey, what d y expect? bookie to make y a millionaire? let win thousands? o, c`mon, guys, this business is especially designed FOR LOSERS ONLY. winners are not tolerated by 99% of bookies.
a bit apart from theme, but imho if y are not in profit in long time period, better quit. why not? just save y`r time and money. habits die hard, but try
there are other ways to make a bit out of bookies - affiliate sites, like olbg (collecting percentage of losers money) etc. it is a litte bit better
and there are no place for "they restricted me"

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This happened to me....I requested for exchange app link from Betfair customer service and they gave me the sportsbook l

Postby treycolo18 » Thu Nov 02, 2017 10:21 am

why don't you use the exchanges? you can put down as much as you want.
long term you make more profit. don't deal with the bookies, I put them
in the same class as bankers . :P

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Re: Bookies don't take bets , close and restrict accounts

Postby Bashed » Fri Nov 03, 2017 12:07 am

I think it pays to let the bookies know as little about you as you can. I recently saw two twitter tipsters restricted, one had his SKY account closed. Thing is he'd been using their request a bet feature via twitter. They instantly know who he is, even if he used a different name on his sky account because his R-a-B's were very specific and unique to him. he is actually a very good tipster and he was winning a lot from Sky. He still tips R-a-B's but he can't back them.
I give them as little personal info as possible, I'm very active on twitter but not with my own name, it pays to be secretive when it comes to bookies.
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Postby gmanrom » Fri Nov 03, 2017 1:27 pm

I know this is an old thread but this issue is getting worse every year that goes by. I do not arb, but I do follow the markets and I have been through so many accounts now, it has got to the point where I dont even bet anymore! the sooner they cut the limits on this Fobts the better and hopefully we will see bookmakers get back to being bookmakers.
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Postby Sheikh Albadou » Thu Nov 09, 2017 10:25 am

Well worth watching The Sunday Forum on ATR this weekend, Kevin Blake is a guest and the show is specifically about betting on horse racing, Simon Clare from Cooraals is another guest.
Whilst the closures and restrictions have now gone way too far in a lot of cases, there are a lot of people betting in a way that no bookmaker would ever want to bother with, these people are making it difficult for the genuine punters and take a lot of blame for the situation imo.
Like many others I am overall baffled by the way in which some bookies shut accounts, like most others I have been shut/ heavily restricted with new before they even give the account a chance to see if they can make money. They pay all that ££ for the adverts and sign up promotions then shut you before they have any realistic chance of knowing wether you are profitable to them. I have a feeling it is because of arbers and matched bettors that they are way too paranoid these days.
I do understand any bookie that shuts down these match bettors, I can’t believe they way these people mince around backing and laying with a free bet etc. to win about £1.50, abusing the promotions, of course they are gonna get shut down, what’s in it for the bookie?
There is a saying in poker that you have to give action to get action, and I would say it’s the same with a bookie. If you only place 3 or 4 bets a week and they are best price and the machine price is around the same or lower, they ain’t gonna want to do business.
On the other hand if you are betting on various sports most days and not exclusively betting when they are top price or above the machine price, bad e/w etc most bookies will take you on. The hard part is betting like this and winning of course. I have accounts that are long term winning, they are operated in this way and am not restricted. I keep the ‘fun’ bets small stake and go in heavier when I think I have an edge. But I bet a lot!
So as In the poker, the player who waits all night for aces giving no action, then moans when he finally raises and everyone folds, I would say a lot of restricted punters only have themselves to blame.

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Postby otbc canary » Thu Nov 09, 2017 12:30 pm

I have only just found this thread as I joined OLBG after it was started. Without in any way wishing to be antagonistic and agreeing fully with the remarks of Sheik Albadou as regards those who only take advantage of bookies' loss leaders, I would like to know why there is a constant undercurrent throughout this subject that Arbers are Persona Non Grata and deserve to have their accounts closed or restricted. I should say at this point that although I do not bet on horses, only sports, I can somewhat see why anyone accepting an early price and laying it off will not be treated as flavour of the month but is that really fair? Only one bet will win and if that person chose to place only one, would that be ok? The account with the first firm will not be any better or worse by placing a covering bet with a second firm.



Even assuming I accept that Arbing on horses is wrong, the argument for applying the same criteria to sports betting, in my view, is even more flawed. The practice of early prices to attract interest is less prevalent with sports betting and if two firms offer contrasting prices on, say, a snooker match (No Ricks or Palpable Errors) what is wrong with placing two separate bets on the terms and limits dictated by the betting firms in response to adverts begging us to place our business with them. It is strange is it not that any firm accepting constantly losing bets from an Arber appears not to have a problem and will happily continue to deal with him?



Another reason why banning profitable punters (Arbers or not) is illogical is the assumption that because they have won in the past they will automatically win in the future. This may apply to horses as it is possible an individual may be privy to information not known to the betting firm's odds compiler but if I am betting on whether the sixth wicket in an Indian T20 cricket match will be Caught or Not Caught, why would they not want to accept my bet whilst offering the same bet to all and sundry elsewhere? I have not even mentioned the argument that if they were 'making a book' as their name implies their profit would be guaranteed regardless of who won and by refusing my money they are merely reducing the opportunity for them to create a balanced book.



Having said all that, it is a fact that anyone suspected of being an Arber will be Gubbed so best to adopt the useful tips advised in this thread to minimise the chance of that happening. I try to avoid withdrawing funds from my accounts (not always an option I accept), spread bets over several accounts, always stake 'normal' amounts i.e. £1, £2, £5, £10 etc. With my No 1 account which I try to avoid closure at all costs, I have rung them up on at least two occasions when they have paid me out on losing bets to, hopefully, earn a few brownie points that will work in my favour if my account were to be looked at by a 'trader'. Some will say this should be done as a matter of course but there are a few firms I will admit I would not so do.

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Postby nors » Thu Nov 09, 2017 3:09 pm

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Postby davidg3907 » Fri Nov 10, 2017 10:56 am

I use Black Type on a regular basis, but for football only.

I'm happy to put up a limited review over the weekend if no member uses them for racing and football.
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Postby davidg3907 » Fri Nov 10, 2017 3:49 pm

I have only just found this thread as I joined OLBG after it was started. Without in any way wishing to be antagonistic and agreeing fully with the remarks of Sheik Albadou as regards those who only take advantage of bookies' loss leaders, I would like to know why there is a constant undercurrent throughout this subject that Arbers are Persona Non Grata and deserve to have their accounts closed or restricted.
For the purpose of this reply, only the relevant part of that post is quoted.

Loss leaders.

How often do we see shops with offers such as ABCD reduced from £9.99 to £3.99 (maximum 6 per customer). This is to prevent another shop buying up all the stock and selling for a profit.

To say that arbers should be able to do as they please, is like suggesting that shops should not have offers for genuine customers if they can't prohibit those that simply want to resell the stock at the right price in order to make a profit for themselves.
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Postby nors » Fri Nov 10, 2017 4:04 pm

Thanks David.

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Postby otbc canary » Fri Nov 10, 2017 4:34 pm

I said in my earlier post that I agree that arbers or punters in general should not have free rein to abuse promotional offers ( loss leaders ) to the detriment of others. My point was that if a firm is offering a 'non promotional 'price that can be covered by another bet with another firm, I do not see what is wrong with that. To use the analogy quoted if I can buy a product at the RRP of £9.99 and then sell it to make a profit why is that wrong?

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