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Re: Grand National Stallions Mares & Pedigrees

Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2022 12:12 pm
by Lescargot
7 this is great, thanks. Someone posted on the postscript or early thoughts GN about Win my Wings, don't know how to phrase this, the grand dam on the sires side Floripedes sire was Topville. Same as Noble Yeats. Looking at Irish National winners that General Principle had the Floripedes/Topville, and referring to KJ's Flemensfirth thoughts, both Liberty counsel 2013 50/1 winner and Wheelin Dylan 150/1 had Alleged on the sires side. I don't know if posting like this on your thread is helpful or not, please advise.

Re: Grand National Stallions Mares & Pedigrees

Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2022 1:42 pm
by The Seven Pillars of Wisdom
Anything we can add that may be useful is more than welcome.

Re: Grand National Stallions Mares & Pedigrees

Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2022 1:15 pm
by The Seven Pillars of Wisdom
VELVET ELVIS

Thought I’d have a look a this six year old novice before he runs in the Irish National later today.

SHIROCCO
DP = 2-0-10-8-0 (20) DI = 0.54 CD = -0.20
Conduit Mare Profile = 2-4-5-12-7 Speed = 6 Stamina = 19 Index = 0.42 Triads = 11-21-24

TREEN
DP = 4-1-11-3-1 (20) DI = 1.11 CD = 0.20
Conduit Mare Profile = 6-6-1-5-9 Speed = 12 Stamina = 14 Index = 0.79 Triads = 13-12-15

There are a few things that put me off this one as a potential Aintree contender. Shirocco has had a winner over four miles in Minella Rocco but he was a very classy horse who together with Native River were entitled to finish 1 and 2 in that race off levels. Shirocco’s speed, stamina and index figures are not in line with what has gone before.

The dam looks like she has a bit of speed in there. So, with Shirocco looking to have a five mile pedigree (!) and Treen having a much speedier pedigree perhaps they are a perfect match but you suspect one influence may outweigh the other and usually it’s the dam.

We will see later.

Re: Grand National Stallions Mares & Pedigrees

Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2022 1:44 pm
by The Seven Pillars of Wisdom
VAUCELET

I have no idea how decent this horse is. I’ve only looked at him because out of so many horses that ran this weekend, his jumping was what I remember most. He looked so effortless over his obstacles, particularly mid race.

He’s a bit leftfield and I suspect his trainer will keep him to Hunter Chases but just in case he is decent and doesn’t stick to those races, then there’s no arguing his pedigree credentials.

The stallion has already had a dual winner of the race and the dam looks absolutely ideal too. Can’t fault the pedigree one bit.

An interesting dark horse.

AUTHORIZED
DP = 4-0-24-14-0 (42) DI = 0.62 CD = -0.14
Conduit Mare Profile = 3-6-2-13-4 Speed = 9 Stamina = 17 Index = 0.61 Triads = 11-21-19

PEGGY PIERJI
DP = 1-0-6-3-0 (10) DI = 0.67 CD = -0.10
Conduit Mare Profile = 5-4-4-8-6 Speed = 9 Stamina = 14 Index = 0.75 Triads = 13-16-18