Festival Placepots

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Festival Placepots

Postby DannyCraig » Sat Mar 10, 2018 9:02 pm

As many of you know, the Festival can throw up some great dividends for the placepot, and so I’d be keen to share some ideas / selections.

If you haven’t already read Micko’s blog on this, I’d highly recommend it. Not sure how to add it as a link, but if someone could that would be great 👍

My sentiments are quite similar to his with regard to having multiple selections in races, and it looks as if on Tuesday, I’ll be going something along the likes of:

3 x 3 x 8 x 2 x 2 x 5 = 1728 perms @ £0.10
2 x 2 x 8 x 1 x 1 x 5 = 160 perms @ £1.00
1 x 1 x 1 x 1 x 1 x 1 = 1 perm @ £10.00


For the largest of dividends, you need to be getting favourites turned over & so with Buveur D’air and Apples Jade nailed on bankers for most people in races 4+5, I want to have a security of an additional pick in these races for my low stake placepot. There’s nothing worse than missing out on a good dividend because you got greedy and didn’t hedge your bets somewhat.

Equally, what’s the point in getting the placepot up of just highly fancied selections in your 10p perms as it won’t pay THAT much - that’s why I prefer to have a 10p, £1, £10 staking system. If the dividend is only £100 on the pound, I want it for £10, where as if it’s hitting £10000 I’d be happy to get a 10p perm up.

I appreciate most people just play the placepots as a bit of extra fun with the chance at a big payout for a small stake, however if we are going to take the rest of the our betting activity “seriously”, I never quite understand why this isn’t the same for placepots.

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Re: Festival Placepots

Postby Gman84 » Sat Mar 10, 2018 10:18 pm

You can read Micko70's excellent Cheltenham Placepot advice blog by clicking here.
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Re: Festival Placepots

Postby DannyCraig » Sat Mar 10, 2018 10:26 pm

You can read Micko70's excellent Cheltenham Placepot advice blog by clicking [url=https://www.olbg.com/blogs/post.php?id=413722]here[/url].
Thanks Gman - Are you fan of placepots, and if so what would your festival strategy be for day 1?

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Re: Festival Placepots

Postby Gman84 » Sat Mar 10, 2018 10:31 pm

You can read Micko70's excellent Cheltenham Placepot advice blog by clicking here.
Thanks Gman - Are you fan of placepots, and if so what would your festival strategy be for day 1?
I always do one for the festival or big meets as the type of pot they generate has to be worth taking a shot at. I'll likely just take the single shot on the Champ Hurdle and Mares' Hurdle with the favs on Tuesday but likely take 3 shots at the Supreme (hate the idea of it going down after the first race) and at least 2 shots at every other race. I think it's madness not to perm with the big handicaps as they are so open.

Edit: Although to add, you are right about the "bit of fun" thing. I probably should take it a bit more seriously but it's kind of a festival/big meet habit. I generally go to the bookies for the bit of morning atmosphere (I do all my other bets online but like to visit the bookies, have a chat and do my placepot).

Good thread, hope more members offer their thoughts.
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Re: Festival Placepots

Postby Micko70 » Sat Mar 10, 2018 11:41 pm

Cheers Guys

I have been fortunate at Cheltenham before with Placepots, but a warning to any first time placepot betters.

Getting the placepot up at a windy Southwell on a Tuesday afternoon is hard enough, the festival is probably the 2nd hardest meeting behind Royal Ascot to get a placepot up.

Danny has given some great advice, you need a lot of luck when playing straight lines, a perm is always the way forward at meetings like this.

Good luck to all this week

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Re: Festival Placepots

Postby Micko70 » Sat Mar 10, 2018 11:43 pm

I will be posting my placepots up on this thread, hopefully a few more members will follow suit

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Re: Festival Placepots

Postby DannyCraig » Sun Mar 11, 2018 12:33 am

Thanks guys, I’ll be doing the same & posting my selections daily on this thread too.

The dividends for the last few years are as follows:

2017:
Tuesday £436.70
Wednesday £3255.40 (Douvan failing made all the difference as 89% of all selections were on him)
Thursday £58.10
Friday £1676.90

2016:
Tuesday £38.90
Wednesday £36.40
Thursday £62.50
Friday £1680.90

2015:
Tuesday £211.70
Wednesday £1280.40
Thursday £ 239.70
Friday £102.70

2014
Tuesday £153.00
Wednesday £193.20
Thursday £496.80
Friday £44616.30

It’s also worth bearing in mind that on the Friday of the 2010 Festival the dividend was a fraction under £42000.

What can we learn from the above? Well, you’re unlikely to get rich on the Tuesday even if you have one clear favourite busting out. In most of the races (Supreme, Arkle, Mares & Champion Hurdle) most people have a pretty good idea as to how the race will pan out. Without jinxing anyone’s future Festival luck, over the last few years these races have been relatively straightforward to work out (from a placepot perspective). Even in 2015 when Annie Power fell at the last, the dividend still only paid £211.70.

It’s clear from taking a peak at the previous few years worth of dividends, that it should be easier to hit the placepot on the Tuesday than the Friday!

One would imagine you wouldn’t be too far away if you had the core of your larger perm multiple as:

Supreme: Getabird, Kalashnikov, Somerville Boy
Arkle: Footpad, Petit Mouchoir, Saint Calvados
Mares: Apple’s Jade, Benie Des Dieux
Champion: Buveur D’air, Faugheen

Then it’s really upto the individual to perm how many they want in the handicaps, with my decisioning based upon previous festival form, significant market support or horses that hit key trend indicators.

Would love to hear everyone else’s methodology when it comes to placepots & whether anyone thinks it’s may be worth doing a place only accumulator instead of smaller permed placepots?

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Re: Festival Placepots

Postby Micko70 » Sun Mar 11, 2018 1:04 am

Danny i agree with you regarding Tuesday, that said, with the 4m chase being the last PP race and only 3 places, we can see a huge upset here to boost the pot.

I will be leaving out at least 1 shortie every day in the hope they fail to place, thus bumping the pot up, who, i have no idea at present

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Re: Festival Placepots

Postby DannyCraig » Sun Mar 11, 2018 1:12 am

Instead of leaving one out, I’d rather do half stakes with both (so double the amount of perms = same overall stake).

That likelihood is that both progress, and if the shortie doesn’t then at least you have the cover of the insurance option.

Also, by having a single larger stake perm including the shorties, then you would still get a decent payday if they got through and you managed to land it.


What I find is that too many people overperm on races where there is no need to OR they leave out shorter priced fancies “because it doesn’t pay much if the favourites come in”. The truth is, you need to get it up just as much as worrying about what it pays - so I try and cover myself for both eventualities :win:

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Re: Festival Placepots

Postby Micko70 » Mon Mar 12, 2018 8:57 pm

Day 1 Placepot for me

Leg 1 - Getabird & Summerville Boy
Leg 2 - Footpad
Leg 3 - Yala Enki, Singlefarmpayment & Vintage Clouds
Leg 4 - Buveur D'Air & Faugheen
Leg 5 - Apple's Jade
Leg 6 - Rathvinden, Sizing Tennessee & Ms Parfois

36 Bets in total

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Re: Festival Placepots

Postby DannyCraig » Mon Mar 12, 2018 10:14 pm

1. 4, 6, 15, 8
2. 2, 5, 3
3. 12, 9, 13, 17, 3, 4
4. 1, 4,
5. 1, 2,
6. 5, 8, 11, 16, 4, 14

4 x 3 x 6 x 2 x 2 x 6 = 1728 @ £0.10

1. 4, 15,
2. 2, 5
3. 12, 9, 13, 17, 3
4. 1
5. 1
6. 5, 8, 11, 16, 4

2 x 2 x 5 x 1 x 1 x 5 = 100 @ £1.00

1. 4
2. 2
3. 12, 13, 3
4. 1
5. 1
6. 8, 11

1 x 1 x 3 x 1 x 1 x 2 = 6 @ £10.00

Let’s see how we get on this week.... :hope:

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Re: Festival Placepots

Postby mazeymay » Mon Mar 12, 2018 10:37 pm

Tuesday
3+15
3+5
1+12+13
1
1
3+9+15+16
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