Random Number Genarators

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Random Number Genarators

Postby lazystakes » Mon Mar 24, 2008 6:19 pm

This is one reason i don't believe that online casino games are legitamate with regards to there so called random number genarator system

As i have been messing around on roulette yesterday and today

starting with 25p bets on red and black sort of payed out even regards to how much i won back , then i step up to 50p on red and straight away

16 blacks in a row i wasn't chasing or anything and the thing that made it look worse was that four numbers appeared three times each

I really cannot see that random number generators play any part in betting like this and i think the system is more likely to be similar to a FRUIT MACHINE were it will payout once it can garantee a profit for its self (not just from you but other players)
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Postby rounder » Mon Mar 24, 2008 7:56 pm

Hey man, I think anyone who has played any "random number generator" game is going to tell you the jury is out one the authenticity of it. But none of the big companies are going to take a risk of sayong they have one without actually having it. If the gaming board are doing a good job then it 'should' be real.

16 blacks in a row is alot, but i personally have seen casinos go in rolls of at least 10 in a row, and with all rolls being 50/50 then it is very easy to see this happen.

I once saw a program about an American guy who worked with fruit machine break the code and winning alot, ending up in jail. So maybe random number generator are not all the random and can be sussed?

I have had many convesations on this topic with many different people and have been told that RNG can work with things like a clock so depending on what time, to the 10th or 100th second, it is will influence the result.

At the end of the day you got to decide yourself if you are willing to play and trust this software. For me, Jury is out and I dont play.
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Postby bospheros » Tue Apr 15, 2008 8:56 pm

i believe it evens itself out, but over a massive number of spins.

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Postby Betfairalfie » Wed Apr 16, 2008 9:19 am

It would be a serious blow to any on-line casino's credibility if they got busted for having a NON random number generator, but maybe a few take that chance. Generally though I believe they are random.

In my youth I did some statistics training and that included a drum of different coloured beads that you rotated and a ‘random sample” appeared in a glass window. We were asked to record the samples we got and this continued for a few hundred spins. Very boring and naturally a few people cheated, including me. The trainers could tell who cheated because the cheats did not put in those exceptional samples, which were as unlikely as 16 consecutive blacks on a roulette wheel. Over time these exceptional samples even themselves out, but yes they do happen.

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Postby qhstatistics » Wed Apr 16, 2008 12:02 pm

You have to remember that these rae computers and unlike humans they run forever so id say they are random, do you think the big casinos are going to put their names on the line?
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Postby gitto » Sun Jul 20, 2008 11:07 am

16 blacks in a row could easily happen, although rare.
A poster on another forum claimed he worked for an online casino company and said the RNG has numbers from 0-41 and any number over 36 gives you a losing scenario.
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Postby swiftnick » Thu Aug 07, 2008 7:30 pm

I've just posted a thread on bookmakers roulette (fruits). I guess much the same is going to apply to online roulette, blackjack, poker etc. The Australians had a real problem with what they referred to as pokie machines till the government banned em. Ladbrokes, Hills and Coral all have online games. If you take a look at the Monte Carlo records it's kind of interesting to note that runs of a single colour of more than 15 are as rare as rocking horse crap. These records are 150 years or so old. With RNG games the story is always the same "well it could happen". Yeah sure it could but not every soddin day lol,

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Postby swiftnick » Thu Aug 07, 2008 7:35 pm

BTW Gitto the odds of hitting 16 blacks in a row are 131,072 to 1 . Yep thats rare lol

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Postby swiftnick » Thu Aug 07, 2008 8:20 pm

I think it's very likely that these machines and RNG games are likely to banned before much longer. Having said that not one single punter will get their money back, the Government ( that knows it's a con) will have taken billions in taxes. The big bookies will have stolen billions (15 a year on average) from a largely deceived public and Gordon Brown will look like a saviour when he cans them.
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It might not be a bad idea to take one or two of the machines into the car park , where they cant win (hammers work too). lol
Well you're supposed to stop a crime if you see one aren't you ? lol

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Postby man o bong » Thu Aug 07, 2008 10:45 pm

I get the feeling you have been 'bitten' by the machines......


There is one thing taht everyone has to remember, and can surely understand before putting money into these machines.


THEY ARE THERE TO CREATE REVENUE, THEY ARE NOT THERE TO CREATE REVENUE FOR THE PLAYERS. LONG TERM YOU WILL LOSE.

There are called FOTB, but still come under the AWP {amusement with prizes),

they are there for amusement purposes, not to provide a living for anyone but them that licsence run and own them.

C'mon guys wake up and smell the coffee.
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Postby swiftnick » Thu Aug 07, 2008 10:50 pm

Nope not really but I've seen dozens who have. I used to fix fruits for a living, for George & Johnny Smart around 30 years ago. What bookie are you affiliated to? Cos its kind of transparent that if you think to the contrary either you know nothing or your in the industry.
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