Red or Black - Roulette?

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Postby Antony OLBG » Wed Oct 03, 2012 3:29 pm

would make u think that percentage wise a even is likely to drop
Yes it would "make you think" but trust us that this is WRONG. Many books have been written on this.

Think about tossing a coin

You get 20 heads in a row
The coin doesnt know it has had 20 heads in a row

So the next spin is the same as all the others - 50% chance of each

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Postby Jim Brown » Wed Oct 03, 2012 3:46 pm

It's amazing how hung up many people get over roulette and other 'chance' games that are specifically set up to defeat you :?

First, there is no 'Law' of Averages. It's just a lay term used to express a belief that all things will even out eventually. A Law is a rule or collection of rules that have a controlling influence over an outcome. Unless you're on a rigged table, there are NO influences on the result of a spin.

NOTHING in any previous spins can have any affecting influence whatosever in determining the outcome of another spin. So if black comes up 10, 15, 20, or even a hundred times in a row, the next spin will ALWAYS see black or red having an equal chance of prevaliing.

It is that simple, there is no system. The fact that you are only working with three outcomes (Red/Black/Green) means you will always see some apparent success with a so-called system, but in the end you are only setting yourself up for a big fall.

MoB has seen 14 blacks in a row in reality. Let's say you started with a dollar on the first spin and doubled up. By that 14th spin if you were betting reds you'd have to have staked $8192. and you would have lost because it came up black, so your next bet to prevent major losses would have to be $16,384, and your bank to that point would have to have been $32,767. And you are STILL facing red having only the SAME chance of coming out as black, with Green killing you off completely.

All to win a dollar. And it doesn't matter if you wait 3, 6, 10 or whatever spins, NOTHING makes it more possible for red to appear on the next spin.

Utter madness...
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Postby slim6y » Wed Oct 03, 2012 7:14 pm

I'm going to have to say it again... So forgive me for suggesting that this is a money maker... It's a fun way of choosing RED or BLACK...

Ok... Now - I will not do the double up on the same colour over and over and over again until you hit the floor limit or until you run out of cash - that, I agree, doesn't work.

I account for zeros in the random number generator - the EXACT same way the casino does.

If you go in with the 'double on the same colour' mentality you've taken randomness out of the equation - you'll eventually lose (probably quicker than my way).

If you add randomness to the equation in a similar fashion to the randomness that occurs, you have a chance.

Their system can't beat randoms every time - their systems is able to beat systems!

Using logic you'd suggest you can't get it wrong 8 times in a row... This is NOT true - You have a 50/50 chance EVERY time (the reason I am writing 50/50 is because writing 48.6/51.4 just isn't as cute - I'm NOT discounting the single zero on European Roulette).

One thing you have to remember - the roulette game that is computer driven does not spin - it NEVER spins. It is 100% random designed with people's 'strategies' in mind.

So - randomness is the key to a small success - and spending LESS time at the table.

Hey, use the OLBG 3% rule... Make 3% per day and in 24 days you've doubled your money.

I love the greed factors... That is where the casino wins all the time.

If you're wanting to lose the zero and play Zero Roulette (at Betfair) the BEST you can hope for is 31 cents (I assume in pounds it's the same) per spin.

The max on Zero Roulette is $40... Working backwards from $40 you end up with $0.31... Not the best odds for needing to risk $79.05!!!

Picking a $1 game you'll need $192...

And so on...

But being random is the ONLY edge you'll have... Because there is NO PROBABILITY that eventually your number will spin up - it's just highly unlikely that you'll get it wrong x amount of times.

I've read through other Roulette posts... And so many get very 'upitty' on people's systems. I need to stress, this is not a system but this is a random number generator that spins up a colour in a similar fashion to the casino online. Eventually... Yes, Eventually it will fail.

3% a day, not impossible... Small fry for many... But fun for some!

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Postby captainlard » Mon Jun 10, 2013 7:26 am

I read about this alternating method a few weeks ago. I used £10 to play one night but for 1p a go. As it went I was up to £20 so upped to 2p and as I hit £30 went to 5p. I was up to £40 when the big losing streak hit. What I should have done is bailed out but pressed on and ended up with about £6 left. Cant remember how many losing consecutive spins there were but there was plenty.

In hindsight think I was on the game too long, if I tried again I would be off after 30 mins, I might be wrong but wondered if I had triggered a kneecapping device. I would also consider a get out strategy after x losing spins. Took a lot of discipline and it was amaing how quick you could lose money when you went off the alternate colour approach and began betting on odds, evens specific numbers and so on. I would not mind trying it again but I am really unsure it would work. There were claims on the site I read about of people making big sums daily but it takes one long losing streak to decimate you. I had worked out how much of a stake you needed to cope with maybe 8 losses on a sequence and even for small stakes it amounted to a canny bit.

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Postby yokobet » Tue Jun 18, 2013 7:46 am

Well honestly, there is no rule you can follow when playing roulette. It is all chance - that's the fun of it. If we were able to calculate chances, it would not be as thrilling as it is. For me, when playing roulette in a casino, it is also about the atmosphere. The people in their special casino outfits, with their pokerfaces, and the glamour of it.
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Postby oldmansea » Tue Jun 18, 2013 8:06 am

One of my favourite stories, a true one, concerns a gambling game on a ship. Just tossing a coin and betting on heads or tails. Only a few of the crew played. It came up 6 heads in a row and a few more were called into the game as the ship sat portside waiting to clear customs. When it got to 10 heads in a row everyone was shouting to come see, they changed coins, double checked and recommenced. The ones who had lost and lost were doubling up on Tails and new bettors were backing it too. When it got to 16 heads, as a result of doubling up, buying into the bet and seeking loans, every single member of the crew was deeply in hock with promissory notes, some for a couple of years wages. The game paused while new sources of finance were found and then resumed. They changed coins again. It came up heads again. When it eventually came up as tails, on the 21st spin there was not a penny on it as every single person, save the bank/lender had borrowed every single penny they could lay their hands on, convinced no such run could happen and that the odds on a tails happening got better the more heads turned up. They were so deeply in debt they had no realistic prospects of paying it off for years.

Of all the daft systems in the world. The system of doubling up is the silliest and most fundamentally flawed. No one can beat a roulette wheel unless they cheat.

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Postby horage » Tue Jun 18, 2013 12:14 pm

IF YOU COULD WIN AT ROULETTE ON A REGULAR BASIS

CASINOS WOULD NOT HAVE A ROULETTE WHEEL..ITS THAT SIMPLE......

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Postby Maggies Brother » Thu Dec 26, 2013 6:44 pm

Maybe it’s time to forget about roulette “systems†and just enjoy the game. When I play roulette, I always bet on 3 (my sister’s birthday). The mathematics say I should win on 1 out of every 37 spins, but in actuality it doesn’t work out that way. Some days I win more than 1 out of 37 and I come out ahead; other days I win less than 1 out of 37 and I come out behind. The truth is that over the course of a year I lose more than I win, but it’s not that much and to me it is money well spent. I get more pleasure out of playing roulette than I would from spending the same amount of money going to football games or fancy restaurants, so why not?

My bottom line advice: play roulette if you enjoy it, don’t play roulette if you are out to make money.

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Re: Red or Black - Roulette?

Postby steveventer » Thu Jun 30, 2016 7:22 am

Well, after watching a video using the 'double up' method on losing bets putting on red or black, I decided to investigate further.

The real downside to the video author's method was it only allowed for 8 wrong hits in a row... Which really isn't impossible.

This does depend on the casino you're at of course.

Their idea was put on red, if it comes in, put on black and so one.

If it doesn't come in then double on the same colour.

In theory the same colour will eventually spin up, right?

Well, in theory, absolutely! But mathematically speaking, not essentially.

Take for example, if you got 8 reds in a row, there's no more chance of a black spinning up than another red.

It's always a 50/50 call (minus the green of course).

So, I decided to account for this random error and use the law of averages in a different way.

What say you randomised your choosing from another roulette table?

So, for example if the other table spun up red, then you choose red on your table.

Ok, not really possible in many casinos or even online. So... I wrote a spreadsheet program that randomly chooses a number and the number is associated with the respective colour and thus increases the randomness of the whole deal.

The chances now of getting 8 in a row wrong are somewhat diminished by the randomness of the choosing.

It wouldn't work if you 'randomly' chose the red or black because despite your best efforts, you're not random enough, there's always some emotion.

Yes, it's PURE chance that your colour spins up.

So far my worst run was 7 wrong in a row. Which is significant... But the 8th was correct!

Best run was only three in a row correct. But usually within one or two double ups I've recouped than one loss.

I'm not saying it's a miracle find or anything like that, but I'm more than happy for anyone who wants to know how I did it on Excel, I'll share.

Initial testing is positive. But you've got to know when to run just as much as you'd need to on any betting venture.

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Choose a casino that has high floor limits for their red and black, typically over $1000 is ideal.

Have a bank roll that will allow you as maximum of 8 wrong attempts - hopefully you'll never need it.

Limit yourself to 10 wins to start with.

Whether it works or not is up to luck still, there is no real system that can beat roulette or casinos would stop letting you play!

Let me know if you've employed similar tactics or even something different - and what sort of success have you had?

Cheers for reading.

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Re: Red or Black - Roulette?

Postby steveventer » Thu Jun 30, 2016 7:30 am

Well, after watching a video using the 'double up' method on losing bets putting on red or black, I decided to investigate further.

The real downside to the video author's method was it only allowed for 8 wrong hits in a row... Which really isn't impossible.

This does depend on the casino you're at of course.

Their idea was put on red, if it comes in, put on black and so one.

If it doesn't come in then double on the same colour.

In theory the same colour will eventually spin up, right?

Well, in theory, absolutely! But mathematically speaking, not essentially.

Take for example, if you got 8 reds in a row, there's no more chance of a black spinning up than another red.

It's always a 50/50 call (minus the green of course).

So, I decided to account for this random error and use the law of averages in a different way.

What say you randomised your choosing from another roulette table?

So, for example if the other table spun up red, then you choose red on your table.

Ok, not really possible in many casinos or even online. So... I wrote a spreadsheet program that randomly chooses a number and the number is associated with the respective colour and thus increases the randomness of the whole deal.

The chances now of getting 8 in a row wrong are somewhat diminished by the randomness of the choosing.

It wouldn't work if you 'randomly' chose the red or black because despite your best efforts, you're not random enough, there's always some emotion.

Yes, it's PURE chance that your colour spins up.

So far my worst run was 7 wrong in a row. Which is significant... But the 8th was correct!

Best run was only three in a row correct. But usually within one or two double ups I've recouped than one loss.

I'm not saying it's a miracle find or anything like that, but I'm more than happy for anyone who wants to know how I did it on Excel, I'll share.

Initial testing is positive. But you've got to know when to run just as much as you'd need to on any betting venture.

Other tips:

Choose a casino that has high floor limits for their red and black, typically over $1000 is ideal.

Have a bank roll that will allow you as maximum of 8 wrong attempts - hopefully you'll never need it.

Limit yourself to 10 wins to start with.

Whether it works or not is up to luck still, there is no real system that can beat roulette or casinos would stop letting you play!

Let me know if you've employed similar tactics or even something different - and what sort of success have you had?

Cheers for reading.

Great stuff to hear someone else is employing the same tactics (even though the choosing method is completely random, as it should be)

How silly of people working on birthdates etc. Does he also wear a rabbit's foot around his head I wonder?

I have managed to amass a great deal of money with the "random" system but have unfortunately found that the on-line casinos rig the outcome when they realize your winnings get too great for their comfort. You were talking about 8 succesive non-wins....Try 11 for size! Mathematically not impossible but highly improbable. especially as it only happens when the winnings are substantial and must start hurting them. Why does a 11 streak non wins never occur during the initial phase of the game? Makes me feel certain the game is rigged.

If so, how can one counter that?

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Postby Betfairalfie » Thu Jun 30, 2016 7:52 am

What part of "you can't beat the house edge" do you not understand folks?

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Re: Red or Black - Roulette?

Postby NickS8 » Wed Oct 11, 2017 8:48 am

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