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Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 8:21 pm Post subject:
Agree 100% Blue..
Any1 who watched the Guineas surely seen that camelot had much more 2 give imo,pure class.
Main Sequence and Astrology(also Bonfire was well fancied)are no mugs,granted it could have been a stronger race,but he has 2 beat whats put in front of him,and he done it in style..
Last edited by MadScot on Sat Jun 02, 2012 8:24 pm; edited 1 time in total
You could tell the way he done it (guineas), was like just doing enough as if to say I'm
better than you lot, I stated that after the Guineas but had my doubts before
it, I'm not in the minority in thinking he would win today I think we all knew
really, Said to Aidan last night I expect him to swallow them up and he did one
by one..just a shame as when he was second to last a fair way out my lad said
he won't win, I said watch him go in a minute..damn shame I never tanked the bugger
Also think O'Brien gave both him and St Nicholas the perfect ride. So he deserves
credit, Red Cadeaux was staying on again and is a real force over the longer trip,
he'll probably have another run then go for the Melbourne Cup again where it should go well again
I don't think anyone can really knock Camelot now. I was a bit sceptical given the way the vast majority of those in behind him in the 2000 ran subsequently, but normal horses don't win both the Guineas and Derby.
It's fair to say the 2yo crop of 2011 were much of a muchness, but Camelot has quickly proven himself far superior to anything else in his own age group. Crowning him as a potential all time great may be a tad premature. Motivator won his Derby well but never went on, and there are others that have peaked on Derby day and never lived up to it again, namely Sir Percy. That said neither had won the Guineas, though the latter did finish second.
It sounds as though Magnier and co. are keen on a crack at the Leger, but given the death of Montjeu and that race not having the lustre it once did (particularly in terms of potential stud value), I'd have thought they may well think about the Irish Champion rather than the Leger come September. Whatever, it is exciting to have an unbeaten dual Classic to look forward to for the second half of the season. His first clash with the older horse will provide a fascinating spectacle, particularly if Frankel's on the bill.
Also, it seems as though money still talks. Was fetched 1.2m at auction; Camelot 525,000gns. _________________ Dark Horses 2013 - Flat
I hate the way the Leger has lost a bit of clout, not sure how different generations
think but a Triple Crown horse is considered a special one in my day,
I hope for racing they take that route
Prob a lot of stories and talk too when I was a nipper of my dad,
And Oh So Sharp was a top top filly who took it in my day,
I agree it's a good test of a horse's constitution and class over the course of a season.
However, you only have to look at the more recent Leger winners and see what they've done at stud and where they stand. They tend to either get sold abroad or stand as NH stallions. A triple crown winner may well get away with it more, however, given what's gone before; still think they may have a change of heart should things go to plan between now and September. Also, there will be plenty of breeders keen to use a son of Montjeu who was successful at the top level over 1m and 1m 4f, and being able to print 'Triple Crown winner' in the brochure would look good come his retirement. Interesting to see how it plays out. _________________ Dark Horses 2013 - Flat
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